the nsa, edward snowden, the chatter, right up his wheelhouse? >> no, i mean, absolutely. there isn't a more con tingous time for national security roer reporters than right now. a crackdown on national security reporters. they're risking going to prison if they don't reveal their sources. they have launched investigations on war whistle-blowers in the previous three administrations combined. definitely there was a climate i feel like fear, of it made their job -- made michael's job a hole lot more difficult but motivated him more than ever to go out, tell the truth and challenge authority and call for more transparency in government. >> for those who scorn on kind of investigative journalist, many do, it's a lonely business. what is it like to be married to someone like that? occasionally scary and all the other things that go with it? >> it made really exciting and wonderful to be with such a passionate person who really cared so much. he cared so much for telling the stories other people didn't want to tell and always said to choose a big target. it you're going after s